tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post1682843061632884553..comments2024-02-19T19:45:32.122-05:00Comments on Poet Mom: Poetry Thursday: Listen CarefullyJanuaryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13036651950996873368noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-47891266533732088872006-09-01T08:49:00.000-04:002006-09-01T08:49:00.000-04:00Me? Devil's advocate? Some say it's a gift!Me? Devil's advocate? Some say it's a gift!Januaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036651950996873368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-7478524859687620252006-09-01T03:49:00.000-04:002006-09-01T03:49:00.000-04:00p.s. great post - i love it when you play devil's ...p.s. great post - i love it when you play devil's advocate - you do it so well ;-)claireylovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16691439928758477628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-33802364167398367832006-09-01T03:47:00.000-04:002006-09-01T03:47:00.000-04:00I say as a poet if you're not *feeling* it you're ...I say as a poet if you're not *feeling* it you're lying, and it will come across obviously as tinny and dull. <br /><br />This of course doesn't mean that poems should only align themselves with the 'true' narrative of a poet's a life. <br /><br />After all, for me, poems don't just employ metaphors and images, they are metaphors and images in themselves.claireylovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16691439928758477628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-35487187500367671032006-08-31T23:17:00.000-04:002006-08-31T23:17:00.000-04:00I don't see why there's any problem with a poet wr...I don't see why there's any problem with a poet writing out of a persona that is not the poet themself. - A poem can be truthful, but not necessarily "real", surely?GreenishLadyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344455769443353585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-13221642501866349492006-08-31T21:30:00.000-04:002006-08-31T21:30:00.000-04:00xGreat comments everyone.
While I agree that poet...xGreat comments everyone.<br /><br />While I agree that poets can get away with little white lies, I'm not completely comfortable with calling those lies "fiction." Fiction in a poetic form is something entirely different. I don't consider a narrative poem, like Phil's, a piece of fiction.Januaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036651950996873368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-48289403697786269122006-08-31T18:17:00.000-04:002006-08-31T18:17:00.000-04:00I love when poems are so complete and real that yo...I love when poems are so complete and real that you are there. I totally agree with your theatre 4th wall comparison. I loved the "let me be frank" line as well. There is a real voice hear...speaking..It makes no difference if the story told is factual. Was there romeo or juliet?? Was there a true path not taken? Did e.e know a girl with small hands? Who cares. The artist makes the art...out of life or moments cobbled together... I loved this idea, January, and I also loved the poem.wendyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14586814769281622578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-83005234327062641862006-08-31T16:53:00.000-04:002006-08-31T16:53:00.000-04:00That's an interesting question. Actually , poets d...That's an interesting question. Actually , poets do it all the time (as do prose writers, of course - it's called fiction). The difference is that in some poems it is quite clear that it is a fiction, and in other poems it isn't. It's the ones where it isn't clear that tend to puset people. I'm not sure what I think about those. When I'm writing fiction in my poems, I tend to use "she" rather than "I"<br />There is a well-known New Zealand poet who created a story about his father. A friend of mine said to him, "I'm so sorry about your father" and he said, "oh, I made it up". He is quite happy to claim that poetry can be fiction too, just as a novel written in the first person can be. If you are familiar with a poets work, you get to know which ones use a base of true stories and which ones don't. But eventually the deeper truth is what's important.Catherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08236329216260906624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-82306345831800048292006-08-31T15:32:00.000-04:002006-08-31T15:32:00.000-04:00Not only has he created a sister but also a brothe...Not only has he created a sister but also a brother for that sister. It's a fiction, a story. So I guess another question is are poets only allowed to write about themselves or are they given the same license to create characters afforded to story writers? I like it better knowing he doesn't have a sister somehow. Although generally, I'd tend to agree with the opinion that poetry ought to be about the poet's first-hand experience.Kamsinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07039627235813416300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-46319074448100265612006-08-31T14:33:00.000-04:002006-08-31T14:33:00.000-04:00Hi Paul: I agree with you. But at the risk of play...Hi Paul: I agree with you. But at the risk of playing devil's advocate, don't you think making up a sister is a big liberty?<br /><br />(Again, I agree with you.)Januaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036651950996873368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-46868785086640374492006-08-31T13:00:00.000-04:002006-08-31T13:00:00.000-04:00Of course it's fair-the deeper (higher sounds so j...Of course it's fair-the deeper (higher sounds so judgemental) truth is what you are trying to get at. Besides, our very memories take liberties with the facts.Paul D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00535027161567978343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-3048735070123528912006-08-31T12:09:00.000-04:002006-08-31T12:09:00.000-04:00I agree with you, yet I meet lots of poets who fee...I agree with you, yet I meet lots of poets who feel that poems should be truthful all the way through. Some go so far to say that if you're not being truthful, you're lying. Rather, if you're going to make things up, you should reveal it at the outset.Januaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13036651950996873368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14397387.post-79882909460424529202006-08-31T11:47:00.000-04:002006-08-31T11:47:00.000-04:00That's where the terms poetic license and poetic j...That's where the terms poetic license and poetic justice come in - for the writer to alter the facts to make the story more appealing or poetic, if you will. At least that's my opinion. It's like a fiction story that Levine is telling - and all fiction is a mixture of truth and imagination.paris parfaithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05457437124988976587noreply@blogger.com